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T. Fourt's avatar

The bit you wrote about how people "really do think of themselves as the vanguard of radical change, and fully don’t realize they are running with a patriarchal playbook." Reminded me of this book, Humankind by Rutger Bregman. It's not about gender, but rather the idea that on both the right and the left, there is a fundamental belief that people are just "bad at heart". And this has been the root cause of wars, violence, genocide, sexism, etc. But the author turns the idea on its head and talks about how [A.] People are actually very fundamentally good, especially when the world "goes to shit" [B.] Even people committing heinous acts are doing evil from a foundation of good intent or even love. AND [C.] That power is the thing that causes folks to switch from a baseline of good to other more dubious places. A lot of what you're talking about here, really. And because the author's a historian, there are tons of fascinating stories throughout.

It's very interesting and optimism-pilled. I'm actually due to reread it myself!

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What frustrates me about Gender Discourse is that it often erases the actual work being done to help people. I feel like part of the reason that so much Gender Discourse centers around dating is that... dating is one of the few areas where there really is a zero-sum game and few institutional levers to solve problems. So many progressive organizations and policies are actually trying to help men! See: men's mental health, acknowledging domestic and sexual violence against men, dismantling a school-to-prison pipeline that disproportionately affects men. It is actually more or less noncontroversial on the left to say something like "we should destigmatize men going to mental health treatment if they need it" or "we should encourage more men to become teachers" or "we should educate boys on body dysmorphia and how action stars are unrealistically ripped because of steroids because eating disorders among men are on the rise".

I guess those efforts aren't as algorithmically optimized as dating content and edgy "girls rule, boys drool!" content and girls in superhero movies content, though (although feminists rolled their eyes at the Marvel Endgame moment, too! that scene was written by a man! the problem isn't feminism, it's that corporate pandering is stupid!). And I do think there is something to be said about how a lot of the reaction machine is bad-faith content intended to drive polarization, specifically funded by right-wing organizations. Look at how Steve Bannon talks about Gamergate! Even if all the lefty politicians we choose to represent us say the right things about caring for and uplifting the men in our community, the reaction machine will find one lady on Twitter complaining about her boyfriend and make her a symbol of The Movement.

As for a way forward: maybe it makes sense to follow the example of Black male organizing? Whether it's Visible Man Review in Chicago or Morehouse traditions or Sing Sing (which is a really beautiful movie about masculinity, male friendship, and The Power of the Arts and Expression imo), there are many solid examples of Black men talking and thinking about masculinity or putting together structures and organizations to support each other.

I just realized that I typed up a whole thing and didn't address the really cool analysis of Puritan gender roles and the idea of idealized vs stigmatized expressions of masculinity and femininity, but thank you for writing it! That was really interesting to learn about!

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