Great piece with so many good turn of phrases, Jesse! (I might start saying "don't punt the chihuahua" IRL.) Honestly, I wonder how much of this flavor of rudderless misandry is an outgrown of online feminism/consumer feminism, where the goal is less about organizing for change and more about self expression. Feminist books (especially radical feminist ones, where getting to the root is the whole MO) are more serious about feminism as an actionable personal and political project. It has bigger aims for the movement than selling "male tears" mugs.
Thank you so much!! That's definitely where it comes from, but I'd be so curious to see someone with a better education than me do a really detailed exploration of how that happened. Sexist advertising has been a thing since at least the 50s (buy this instant coffee, even your stupid husband can make it!) so it definitely feels like capitalism has embraced feminism rather than the other way around, but that's about as deep of a thought as I can muster about it. Jessa Crispin recommended that I check out Jacqueline Rose, who wrote about the connection between psychology and misogyny-- I'd be curious to see anyone do a similar analysis of misandry in the context of consumerism + bell hooks' thoughts about the connection between culture and politics.
I've been feeling like cultural landscape around gender has been caught in a cyclical stagnation and something needs to change and/or evolve in order break out of the tumble-dryer of discourse so I really appreciate you broaching this subject so thoughtfully. Rendering men as dogs (I chuckled mostly because I do not like dogs all that much and am allergic to them) is perhaps a great way of making the topic of misandry more legible. Thank you for writing what I know must have been a very difficult essay.
Thank you!! It definitely feels like there's been a kind of acceleration going on-- there's been less and less time between new "waves" of feminism, and with the added complications of trans issues rising into public discourse + the buildup of reactionary misogynist movements, it feels like *something* is about to burst. Hopefully not fascism! Maybe it'll be a good thing instead! Maybe we are close to a saturation point of reactionaries and dull old stereotypes, and people will get bored of all that and start thinking in new directions. 🤞 I was hesitant about the dog metaphor since comparing people to animals is usually pretty demeaning, so I'm relieved I got the point across in a good way.
i think we are really struggling to engineer the social equipment necessary to meaningfully address these topics because public consciousness about them has populated so rapidly, so interpersonally and individually its creating this intense pressure. its at a point where i've been debating all day about whether to repost your essay despite the fact i agree with so much of it because i don't want you to be inundated with undue scrutiny.
so much effort, especially in online discourse, veers towards individualistic diagnosis to which the logical consequence becomes divestment (or isolation).
co-operation is far more complex, embarrassing, messy and in the case of the differing power dynamic between genders, risky. we can decide whether we want to do that work or not but it will requiring fostering a new way of literally speaking to one another.
also as someone with an interest in sensitive topics, the comparison to animals was effective on an analytical level but a tad unsettling on an emotional level but i'm able to keep the latter in check because of the context of the former, and i can see why you were hesitant. i think its apt vehicle, the right kind of shock value
this is a really well thought out piece thank you for sharing! whilst I have always been of the opinion that misandry doesn't operate on the scale of misogyny by any stretch, it's interesting to see how men recieve the "fuck men" messaging.
It did make me wonder if White people feel the way that you describe men to feel when communities of Colour make generalised statements about White people online, and whether we should care about that? some food for thought.
I guess it's all a curse of the online age of soundbites and quotables. distilling complex messages into a 3 word sentence is easy, and shareable, but also loses nuance when in the hands of those outside the community ("Black Lives Matter" is but one example of this)
I think sometimes those who participate in discourse about whether misandry exists forget or dismiss that the girl who vents about her tinder date... will book another date, with another man. idk it's missed sometimes that the person posting "men are trash" loves the men in their life so deeply. and not to minimise what happens in our virtual lives, but isn't it our real, interpersonal connections that make the difference?
Thank you!! To answer the second question-- you're right, the misandry stans are kind of just having a little heteropessimism moment, but I think that anyone would rightfully call me a hypocrite if I was very kind to individual women to their faces and then talked smack about women online all day. But I'm less interested in judging the moral fiber of misandry stans on their bad days so much as I'm concerned with how those comments affect the boys who see them a lot-- especially boys who know they have already flunked out of the patriarchal paradigm of masculinity, who are isolated and sometimes dependent on feminist communities for both personal and political support.
For the first question: I'm so glad you asked, I think about that a lot!! I think the first thing that made me think "hm, maybe this 'men are trash' stuff is uncool" years and years ago was a friend pointing out that white girls who say that kind of thing implicitly mean black men, too (or otherwise talk about the world as if black men don't count as men and don't need to be considered). Personally, it's very easy for me to see black folks' expressions of resentment as simple venting about racism and not internalize it as a genuine indictment of my worth as a person, but I'm still reading and thinking about all the possible reasons why.
Contemporary liberal feminism is partially built on concepts from critical race theory, like privilege, right? But we have a tendency to treat racism and sexism as identical processes that just affect different types of people, rather than different processes which enmesh and bounce off of each other in all these complicated ways that can't be distilled down to just the psychology of "hate." So I try to be really careful when making those kinds of comparisons, and yeah, the short-form bombast of social media makes that kind of nuance extremely difficult!! I think #notallmen is a great example of anti-racist theory being re-translated through a feminist lens in a way that turned out pretty incoherent, but dissecting that alone would take a whole other essay.
Many thanks!!!! 🙇♂️ I rewrote it so many times I was really sure I was just fully huffing my own farts by the end, so I'm relieved that I landed on something that resonates.
i don't monetize/paywall my substack so i'm not sure what you mean. i wrote the headline as kind of bait-and-switch because i assumed it would attract a type of "radical" feminist who thinks men are dogs in a derogatory way, when my point was to invoke the way that people love animals as an example for how we ought to love each other. i think it's pretty clear to everyone else who has liked or responded that my point is that men are human beings who deserve to not be treated like trash even by women who are mad at them for sympathetic political reasons, so i think you are really tilting at windmills here-- we probably agree with each other that the way women tend to talk about men is inappropriate and cruel.
i'm sorry to have upset you with the headline but i really think you'd likely agree with my whole point, so if you can't see past the superficial to the meat of it then i suppose you are just not my target audience! that's not your fault, you have just kind of proven my point about how the way people talk about men makes us all feel very bad and reactive, and that the internet especially exacerbates this problem, so thank you for that. for what it's worth if i could buy you a beer and give you an hour to vent about the whole mess, i absolutely would!
This was a really interesting read. I found myself resistant to your ideas at some points, but you were so thoughtful in your writing. I struggle with trying not to direct my anger at the patriarchy at all men, despite my awareness it is unhelpful/harmful. I think I am open to being more sympathetic, but I also can be overly sensitive to any perceived slight or misrepresentation made about feminists even if it is insightful and well meaning. Obviously it is not helpful to any meaningful change if feminists are easily detracted by such insignificant details as it stifles any kind of discussion and keeps everyone walking on eggshells.
I do agree social media and the greater exposure to the horrors and injustices of today has worsened the problem. It is an attempt at control or power at an individual level when faced with much larger social structures that we feel so helpless in. I think this is what makes it feel so justified when it is the opposite.
I do think the line drawn between active misogynists and violent men with men who more passively operate as part of patriarchal system is a bit too distinct. Violent misogyny is important to the maintenance of patriarchy and so has an effect on most men socialised in this system. I think that while most do not enact these violent ideas to such an extreme, they do perpetrate it and endorse it in smaller ways, which means they cannot wholly be separated and seen as distinct from those other men. That doesn’t mean men can’t unlearn these ideas or that women should be unsympathetic to these men, the framing just seems a little off.
Haha, I relate!! Thank you so much for reading with an open heart. I know my tone is pretty abrasive and sarcastic, so I really appreciate the patience.
I definitely didn't mean to imply that guys who pick up patriarchal messaging as a tool (rather than following it as a genuine belief system from childhood on) are somehow doing less damage or not contributing to the same problems, or anything like that. Those guys are total jags no matter where they got their ideas.
I think that the connection between social esteem and political oppression has been so heavily emphasized since the 70s-90s that today, we have a lot of social habits where the powerful pay lip service to the problems of minorities while refusing to change the systems that have a stronger impact those minorities' wellbeing. Like, a doctor's office can ask for pronouns on their forms, but that doesn't mean they're going to let me get surgery without $10k and a paternalistic therapist signing off on my sanity. Of course I would rather have that acknowledgement than not, but it's not a sufficient *alternative* to, say, removing the therapy letter requirement and establishing free public healthcare in America. Putting a line on a form is easy, so the easy thing is the thing that gets done, and our awareness that Respect Matters winds up being an excuse for why institutions can do little else.
So that's the sort of thing I have in mind when I push back against it. Cultural attitudes and political oppression are definitely correlated, but that correlation can be kind of mushy, right? Feminism made great strides in the last 100-odd years for women's legal and economic rights, but obviously, just because women can vote and have their own credit cards does not mean that cultural misogyny has gone away or is less of a big deal than it was back then. At the same time, I think if I want to say that I am doing something serious re: dismantling the patriarchy, I probably should do a bit more than simply love my mother and not tell rape jokes.
I think it's good that we do not praise men overmuch for simply not being overt misogynists, but when men's good social behavior is seen as achieving nothing while their bad behavior is seen as *enabling literal violence,* it makes men-who-care feel like they can do nothing but evil, because they are men. Whether or not we think that tying male identity to evil this way amounts to a political sort of problem, it certainly doesn't make decent dudes eager to do anything more than stay home and try not to make things *worse.*
That's what I'm working with so far, at least, but maybe you can see something I don't! If so I'd be interested to hear about it. I'm working on another piece about "misandry" that gets more into the weeds of feminist theory and the history of patriarchal culture, and I really want it to be Good, haha.
"misogyny which is motivated by men taking for granted an ingrained, ancient patriarchal paradigm..." You mean by this to include actual learned hostility, confirmation bias, convenience bias and other conscious and subconscious importation of real animus? Or would those be other forms of misogyny? I ask because it implies a pretty broad definition of "taking for granted."
Something like that? It's not easy to dissect tbh! I was mostly thinking of the way that I have heard from a lot of feminist women that American patriarchy teaches men to hate women as a kind of cultural norm, which is reinforced more-or-less-subtly throughout our day through advertising, TV shows, comedy, social interactions, etc etc. There is a lot of emphasis on resisting patriarchy by "checking your privilege" and noticing these things and resisting what they are trying to tell you about how women think, what they are for, what they are worth, etc. (Or at least there was when I first started paying attention like ten years ago, I think that phrase has kind of a cringe-stink on it now.)
A lot of trans guys I know are very paranoid about internalizing this messaging and becoming misogynists on accident, but honestly I think it's pretty easy to resist if you like, respect your mom at all, or notice that some of your classmates are smarter than you, or really have ANY interactions with women you care about where they demonstrate their own humanity. So I wasn't really trying to surgically dissect all the reasons men wind up acting misogynist, I just want to complicate the narrative that every man who acts out is doing it because he was taught to act that way and just never bothered to question it. The evidence to that "women are people too" is so obvious it feels impossible to miss, so I feel like chalking misogyny up to that alone is oversimplifying whatever else might be going on, and I'd be curious to see what other folks might come up with when explaining how misogyny becomes a guy's whole shtick.
That’s pretty much what I thought you were getting at, a sort of “passive” misogyny; I was trying to outline a more “active” misogyny that wasn’t just reactionary rage-baiting by contrast. Thanks for the reply.
Yeah!! If you've got thoughts about what else might motivate misogyny into an "active" or intentional kind of form, I think it's worth it to think/write about!
Imagine if you added "wo" right before the beginning of the title. Oh, wait, one gender is allowed to be endlessly criticized and the other not so much. So does feminism mean "equality of treatment" anymore or did you schizo-lunatic factions of the XX-chromosomed half of humanity redefine the word *AGAIN* to mean something even more insane?
ah ok. i promise if you really read the thing you will find out that my whole point is to dissect the arguments feminists make which i think are dehumanizing to men, because i think that feminism is built on the basis of the idea of a fundamental human dignity which applies to men as much as it applies to women, it's just that a lot of people who write about men and feminism seem to have convinced themselves otherwise.
i get why the title set you off! that kind of thing triggers me, too, but i am doing a little thing they call "subversion" here. please read what i am actually saying, because we probably are already on the same page.
"Sure." Your overdressed salad managed to miss the simple fact that the natural trajectory of modern "feminism" as we know it culminates in the "radical" tendencies you profess to criticize, not to mention that this entire culture war is the product of a dialectically controlled clash as part of a self-accelerating whirlpool.
> "i am doing a little thing they call 'subversion'"
Ah yes, "the ends justify the means." Very Jesuitic.
So it turns out I was wrong about exactly *what* your problem is. At first I was naive enough to assume you were consistently honest in implied meaning between headlines and article content. It actually turns out you're no better than typical "news" article writers who post baity headlines only to indicate something completely different in the article body.
Great piece with so many good turn of phrases, Jesse! (I might start saying "don't punt the chihuahua" IRL.) Honestly, I wonder how much of this flavor of rudderless misandry is an outgrown of online feminism/consumer feminism, where the goal is less about organizing for change and more about self expression. Feminist books (especially radical feminist ones, where getting to the root is the whole MO) are more serious about feminism as an actionable personal and political project. It has bigger aims for the movement than selling "male tears" mugs.
Looking forward to your next piece!
Thank you so much!! That's definitely where it comes from, but I'd be so curious to see someone with a better education than me do a really detailed exploration of how that happened. Sexist advertising has been a thing since at least the 50s (buy this instant coffee, even your stupid husband can make it!) so it definitely feels like capitalism has embraced feminism rather than the other way around, but that's about as deep of a thought as I can muster about it. Jessa Crispin recommended that I check out Jacqueline Rose, who wrote about the connection between psychology and misogyny-- I'd be curious to see anyone do a similar analysis of misandry in the context of consumerism + bell hooks' thoughts about the connection between culture and politics.
I've been feeling like cultural landscape around gender has been caught in a cyclical stagnation and something needs to change and/or evolve in order break out of the tumble-dryer of discourse so I really appreciate you broaching this subject so thoughtfully. Rendering men as dogs (I chuckled mostly because I do not like dogs all that much and am allergic to them) is perhaps a great way of making the topic of misandry more legible. Thank you for writing what I know must have been a very difficult essay.
Thank you!! It definitely feels like there's been a kind of acceleration going on-- there's been less and less time between new "waves" of feminism, and with the added complications of trans issues rising into public discourse + the buildup of reactionary misogynist movements, it feels like *something* is about to burst. Hopefully not fascism! Maybe it'll be a good thing instead! Maybe we are close to a saturation point of reactionaries and dull old stereotypes, and people will get bored of all that and start thinking in new directions. 🤞 I was hesitant about the dog metaphor since comparing people to animals is usually pretty demeaning, so I'm relieved I got the point across in a good way.
i think we are really struggling to engineer the social equipment necessary to meaningfully address these topics because public consciousness about them has populated so rapidly, so interpersonally and individually its creating this intense pressure. its at a point where i've been debating all day about whether to repost your essay despite the fact i agree with so much of it because i don't want you to be inundated with undue scrutiny.
so much effort, especially in online discourse, veers towards individualistic diagnosis to which the logical consequence becomes divestment (or isolation).
co-operation is far more complex, embarrassing, messy and in the case of the differing power dynamic between genders, risky. we can decide whether we want to do that work or not but it will requiring fostering a new way of literally speaking to one another.
also as someone with an interest in sensitive topics, the comparison to animals was effective on an analytical level but a tad unsettling on an emotional level but i'm able to keep the latter in check because of the context of the former, and i can see why you were hesitant. i think its apt vehicle, the right kind of shock value
this is a really well thought out piece thank you for sharing! whilst I have always been of the opinion that misandry doesn't operate on the scale of misogyny by any stretch, it's interesting to see how men recieve the "fuck men" messaging.
It did make me wonder if White people feel the way that you describe men to feel when communities of Colour make generalised statements about White people online, and whether we should care about that? some food for thought.
I guess it's all a curse of the online age of soundbites and quotables. distilling complex messages into a 3 word sentence is easy, and shareable, but also loses nuance when in the hands of those outside the community ("Black Lives Matter" is but one example of this)
I think sometimes those who participate in discourse about whether misandry exists forget or dismiss that the girl who vents about her tinder date... will book another date, with another man. idk it's missed sometimes that the person posting "men are trash" loves the men in their life so deeply. and not to minimise what happens in our virtual lives, but isn't it our real, interpersonal connections that make the difference?
Thank you!! To answer the second question-- you're right, the misandry stans are kind of just having a little heteropessimism moment, but I think that anyone would rightfully call me a hypocrite if I was very kind to individual women to their faces and then talked smack about women online all day. But I'm less interested in judging the moral fiber of misandry stans on their bad days so much as I'm concerned with how those comments affect the boys who see them a lot-- especially boys who know they have already flunked out of the patriarchal paradigm of masculinity, who are isolated and sometimes dependent on feminist communities for both personal and political support.
For the first question: I'm so glad you asked, I think about that a lot!! I think the first thing that made me think "hm, maybe this 'men are trash' stuff is uncool" years and years ago was a friend pointing out that white girls who say that kind of thing implicitly mean black men, too (or otherwise talk about the world as if black men don't count as men and don't need to be considered). Personally, it's very easy for me to see black folks' expressions of resentment as simple venting about racism and not internalize it as a genuine indictment of my worth as a person, but I'm still reading and thinking about all the possible reasons why.
Contemporary liberal feminism is partially built on concepts from critical race theory, like privilege, right? But we have a tendency to treat racism and sexism as identical processes that just affect different types of people, rather than different processes which enmesh and bounce off of each other in all these complicated ways that can't be distilled down to just the psychology of "hate." So I try to be really careful when making those kinds of comparisons, and yeah, the short-form bombast of social media makes that kind of nuance extremely difficult!! I think #notallmen is a great example of anti-racist theory being re-translated through a feminist lens in a way that turned out pretty incoherent, but dissecting that alone would take a whole other essay.
This is really good. If you wrote more about this I would read it.
Thank you so much!! I probably will, the brain worms got me bad.
Brilliant essay on a gnarly topic. One of those where I really had to fight to choose which quotes to restack because there were so many great ones.
Many thanks!!!! 🙇♂️ I rewrote it so many times I was really sure I was just fully huffing my own farts by the end, so I'm relieved that I landed on something that resonates.
Nope, fucking nailed it. I’m gonna re-read it just for effect.
"I rewrote it so many times" And yet you couldn't improve it one bit.
you literally didn't read it!!
Not anymore; so now the conclusion I must come to is that you scam non-subscribers with acutely inflammatory headlines for attention.
i don't monetize/paywall my substack so i'm not sure what you mean. i wrote the headline as kind of bait-and-switch because i assumed it would attract a type of "radical" feminist who thinks men are dogs in a derogatory way, when my point was to invoke the way that people love animals as an example for how we ought to love each other. i think it's pretty clear to everyone else who has liked or responded that my point is that men are human beings who deserve to not be treated like trash even by women who are mad at them for sympathetic political reasons, so i think you are really tilting at windmills here-- we probably agree with each other that the way women tend to talk about men is inappropriate and cruel.
i'm sorry to have upset you with the headline but i really think you'd likely agree with my whole point, so if you can't see past the superficial to the meat of it then i suppose you are just not my target audience! that's not your fault, you have just kind of proven my point about how the way people talk about men makes us all feel very bad and reactive, and that the internet especially exacerbates this problem, so thank you for that. for what it's worth if i could buy you a beer and give you an hour to vent about the whole mess, i absolutely would!
> "i wrote the headline as kind of bait-and-switch"
Understood.
What you're saying is strange considering what he wrote.
This was a really interesting read. I found myself resistant to your ideas at some points, but you were so thoughtful in your writing. I struggle with trying not to direct my anger at the patriarchy at all men, despite my awareness it is unhelpful/harmful. I think I am open to being more sympathetic, but I also can be overly sensitive to any perceived slight or misrepresentation made about feminists even if it is insightful and well meaning. Obviously it is not helpful to any meaningful change if feminists are easily detracted by such insignificant details as it stifles any kind of discussion and keeps everyone walking on eggshells.
I do agree social media and the greater exposure to the horrors and injustices of today has worsened the problem. It is an attempt at control or power at an individual level when faced with much larger social structures that we feel so helpless in. I think this is what makes it feel so justified when it is the opposite.
I do think the line drawn between active misogynists and violent men with men who more passively operate as part of patriarchal system is a bit too distinct. Violent misogyny is important to the maintenance of patriarchy and so has an effect on most men socialised in this system. I think that while most do not enact these violent ideas to such an extreme, they do perpetrate it and endorse it in smaller ways, which means they cannot wholly be separated and seen as distinct from those other men. That doesn’t mean men can’t unlearn these ideas or that women should be unsympathetic to these men, the framing just seems a little off.
Haha, I relate!! Thank you so much for reading with an open heart. I know my tone is pretty abrasive and sarcastic, so I really appreciate the patience.
I definitely didn't mean to imply that guys who pick up patriarchal messaging as a tool (rather than following it as a genuine belief system from childhood on) are somehow doing less damage or not contributing to the same problems, or anything like that. Those guys are total jags no matter where they got their ideas.
I think that the connection between social esteem and political oppression has been so heavily emphasized since the 70s-90s that today, we have a lot of social habits where the powerful pay lip service to the problems of minorities while refusing to change the systems that have a stronger impact those minorities' wellbeing. Like, a doctor's office can ask for pronouns on their forms, but that doesn't mean they're going to let me get surgery without $10k and a paternalistic therapist signing off on my sanity. Of course I would rather have that acknowledgement than not, but it's not a sufficient *alternative* to, say, removing the therapy letter requirement and establishing free public healthcare in America. Putting a line on a form is easy, so the easy thing is the thing that gets done, and our awareness that Respect Matters winds up being an excuse for why institutions can do little else.
So that's the sort of thing I have in mind when I push back against it. Cultural attitudes and political oppression are definitely correlated, but that correlation can be kind of mushy, right? Feminism made great strides in the last 100-odd years for women's legal and economic rights, but obviously, just because women can vote and have their own credit cards does not mean that cultural misogyny has gone away or is less of a big deal than it was back then. At the same time, I think if I want to say that I am doing something serious re: dismantling the patriarchy, I probably should do a bit more than simply love my mother and not tell rape jokes.
I think it's good that we do not praise men overmuch for simply not being overt misogynists, but when men's good social behavior is seen as achieving nothing while their bad behavior is seen as *enabling literal violence,* it makes men-who-care feel like they can do nothing but evil, because they are men. Whether or not we think that tying male identity to evil this way amounts to a political sort of problem, it certainly doesn't make decent dudes eager to do anything more than stay home and try not to make things *worse.*
That's what I'm working with so far, at least, but maybe you can see something I don't! If so I'd be interested to hear about it. I'm working on another piece about "misandry" that gets more into the weeds of feminist theory and the history of patriarchal culture, and I really want it to be Good, haha.
"misogyny which is motivated by men taking for granted an ingrained, ancient patriarchal paradigm..." You mean by this to include actual learned hostility, confirmation bias, convenience bias and other conscious and subconscious importation of real animus? Or would those be other forms of misogyny? I ask because it implies a pretty broad definition of "taking for granted."
Something like that? It's not easy to dissect tbh! I was mostly thinking of the way that I have heard from a lot of feminist women that American patriarchy teaches men to hate women as a kind of cultural norm, which is reinforced more-or-less-subtly throughout our day through advertising, TV shows, comedy, social interactions, etc etc. There is a lot of emphasis on resisting patriarchy by "checking your privilege" and noticing these things and resisting what they are trying to tell you about how women think, what they are for, what they are worth, etc. (Or at least there was when I first started paying attention like ten years ago, I think that phrase has kind of a cringe-stink on it now.)
A lot of trans guys I know are very paranoid about internalizing this messaging and becoming misogynists on accident, but honestly I think it's pretty easy to resist if you like, respect your mom at all, or notice that some of your classmates are smarter than you, or really have ANY interactions with women you care about where they demonstrate their own humanity. So I wasn't really trying to surgically dissect all the reasons men wind up acting misogynist, I just want to complicate the narrative that every man who acts out is doing it because he was taught to act that way and just never bothered to question it. The evidence to that "women are people too" is so obvious it feels impossible to miss, so I feel like chalking misogyny up to that alone is oversimplifying whatever else might be going on, and I'd be curious to see what other folks might come up with when explaining how misogyny becomes a guy's whole shtick.
That’s pretty much what I thought you were getting at, a sort of “passive” misogyny; I was trying to outline a more “active” misogyny that wasn’t just reactionary rage-baiting by contrast. Thanks for the reply.
Yeah!! If you've got thoughts about what else might motivate misogyny into an "active" or intentional kind of form, I think it's worth it to think/write about!
That’s a chain of cause and effect I’ve never figured out for any form of discrimination, I’m afraid.
Imagine if you added "wo" right before the beginning of the title. Oh, wait, one gender is allowed to be endlessly criticized and the other not so much. So does feminism mean "equality of treatment" anymore or did you schizo-lunatic factions of the XX-chromosomed half of humanity redefine the word *AGAIN* to mean something even more insane?
lol what. did you read what i actually wrote??
Do I even need to clarify- oh wait, for you cases of insanity, I guess I do.
So are you also going to publish an article entitled "women are d*gs" or is one gender more immune against criticism than the other?
ah ok. i promise if you really read the thing you will find out that my whole point is to dissect the arguments feminists make which i think are dehumanizing to men, because i think that feminism is built on the basis of the idea of a fundamental human dignity which applies to men as much as it applies to women, it's just that a lot of people who write about men and feminism seem to have convinced themselves otherwise.
i get why the title set you off! that kind of thing triggers me, too, but i am doing a little thing they call "subversion" here. please read what i am actually saying, because we probably are already on the same page.
"Sure." Your overdressed salad managed to miss the simple fact that the natural trajectory of modern "feminism" as we know it culminates in the "radical" tendencies you profess to criticize, not to mention that this entire culture war is the product of a dialectically controlled clash as part of a self-accelerating whirlpool.
> "i am doing a little thing they call 'subversion'"
Ah yes, "the ends justify the means." Very Jesuitic.
i'm not sure what you're talking about but i hope you feel better soon
So it turns out I was wrong about exactly *what* your problem is. At first I was naive enough to assume you were consistently honest in implied meaning between headlines and article content. It actually turns out you're no better than typical "news" article writers who post baity headlines only to indicate something completely different in the article body.